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Post by Chet on Apr 1, 2016 15:05:29 GMT -6
I'm only really looking at the Calder trophy right now, but with all the Oilers hate from all over the internet, may people don't want McDavid to win, which boggles my mind when you look at what he's done when he's been healthy. The one thing that bugs me about Panarin's eligibility is that Gretzky wasn't eligible for the Calder due to his previous professional hockey experience, but yet Panarin, who's played over 300 KHL games, is still valid for the NHL Calder.
I think there should be a revision to the rules for the Calder. There's a 5 year difference between the two players and Panarin is really only producing with Kane, unlike McDavid who is playing center and has multiple different linemates.
So, 300 KHL games vs OHL, 24 vs 19, one teammate production vs multiple teammate production.
Am I crazy for thinking this or am I just trying to find something that the Oiler fans can be proud of?
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Post by Dangles13 on Apr 1, 2016 15:53:46 GMT -6
At first I was upset with the Panarin eligibility until someone pointed out that Ovie played parts of 4 seasons in the KHL and he won. Other winners have played in the AHL which is another professional league and nobody says boo. I think after you play 200 professional games in any league you should be exempt from winning the Calder trophy. All that being said, the Calder is supposed to be awarded "to the player selected as the most proficient in his first year of competition in the National Hockey League (NHL)" and I don't think that there is any doubt that McDavid is the most proficient rookie, he's one of the most proficient players period.
The NHL has a thing where they don't give a flying fuck what the awards are supposed to mean though. Often it goes to the player who has the "best" season over any other criteria. The Selke is "awarded annually to the National Hockey League forward who demonstrates the most skill in the defensive component of the game" but it always goes to the best two way forward. There are players who only stay in this league because they are so damn good on the pk and provide nothing else, Manny Malholtra comes to mind.
The Jack Adams is supposed to go to the coach who was "adjudged to have contributed the most to his team's success" but often is awarded to the best overachieving team and Mike Babcock was constantly overlooked because "he's just expected to be good."
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Post by RamR on Apr 1, 2016 16:50:24 GMT -6
Gooooo Thrasherssss!!!
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Post by Chet on Apr 2, 2016 15:26:52 GMT -6
At first I was upset with the Panarin eligibility until someone pointed out that Ovie played parts of 4 seasons in the KHL and he won. Other winners have played in the AHL which is another professional league and nobody says boo. I think after you play 200 professional games in any league you should be exempt from winning the Calder trophy. All that being said, the Calder is supposed to be awarded "to the player selected as the most proficient in his first year of competition in the National Hockey League (NHL)" and I don't think that there is any doubt that McDavid is the most proficient rookie, he's one of the most proficient players period. The NHL has a thing where they don't give a flying fuck what the awards are supposed to mean though. Often it goes to the player who has the "best" season over any other criteria. The Selke is "awarded annually to the National Hockey League forward who demonstrates the most skill in the defensive component of the game" but it always goes to the best two way forward. There are players who only stay in this league because they are so damn good on the pk and provide nothing else, Manny Malholtra comes to mind. The Jack Adams is supposed to go to the coach who was "adjudged to have contributed the most to his team's success" but often is awarded to the best overachieving team and Mike Babcock was constantly overlooked because "he's just expected to be good." That's an interesting part about Ovi winning it after playing parts in the KHL. Maybe they should refocus on award eligibility (maybe the votes should be by the players instead of the media?), it could be a good opportunity to help develop the AHL more by reducing the amount of professional games played in leagues outside of NA? There would be a very good chance that could backfire, but it's an idea nonetheless to try and fix their award system. Does Babcock win the Jack Adams this year then?  |
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Post by smellmyfinger on Apr 3, 2016 10:10:28 GMT -6
Calder- McDavid
Norris- Gardiner
Hart- Kadri
Guess who
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Post by Yzerman Is The Man on Apr 4, 2016 7:57:35 GMT -6
Calder- McDavid Norris- Gardiner Hart- Kadri Guess who Somehow Muzzin will actually be his pick for calder |
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Post by Dangles13 on Apr 4, 2016 8:03:59 GMT -6
Calder- McDavid Norris- Gardiner Hart- Kadri Guess who Somehow Muzzin will actually be his pick for calder Muzzin the only reason people talk about Doughty, yes including those seasons where Muzzin wasn't in the NHL. |
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Post by Yzerman Is The Man on Apr 4, 2016 8:08:05 GMT -6
Somehow Muzzin will actually be his pick for calder Muzzin the only reason people talk about Doughty, yes including those seasons where Muzzin wasn't in the NHL. Doughty sucks. So does weber, josi, McDonagh |
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Post by Dangles13 on Apr 4, 2016 10:08:10 GMT -6
Muzzin the only reason people talk about Doughty, yes including those seasons where Muzzin wasn't in the NHL. Doughty sucks. So does weber, josi, McDonagh Muzzin and Gardiner are so good that if they ever played together the NHL would have to create new rules. |
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Post by Chet on Apr 4, 2016 10:43:23 GMT -6
Doughty sucks. So does weber, josi, McDonagh Muzzin and Gardiner are so good that if they ever played together the NHL would have to create new rules. New rules would be needed once they play with OEL. |
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Post by Dangles13 on Apr 4, 2016 10:55:36 GMT -6
Muzzin and Gardiner are so good that if they ever played together the NHL would have to create new rules. New rules would be needed once they play with OEL. 3 defenceman and Kadri as the forward? Any goalie can play in front of that because statistically all goalies are the exact same. |
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Post by Chet on Apr 4, 2016 12:10:01 GMT -6
New rules would be needed once they play with OEL. 3 defenceman and Kadri as the forward? Any goalie can play in front of that because statistically all goalies are the exact same. Di Pietro would come out of retirement for that kind of line up. Might as well hand him the Jennings now. |
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Post by Dangles13 on Apr 4, 2016 15:28:29 GMT -6
3 defenceman and Kadri as the forward? Any goalie can play in front of that because statistically all goalies are the exact same. Di Pietro would come out of retirement for that kind of line up. Might as well hand him the Jennings now. There is absolute proof that DiPietro would have been the next Brodeur if he played with OEL. |
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Post by Chet on Apr 4, 2016 20:13:44 GMT -6
Di Pietro would come out of retirement for that kind of line up. Might as well hand him the Jennings now. There is absolute proof that DiPietro would have been the next Brodeur if he played with OEL. They would've had to change it to the DiPietro Trophy |
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Post by smellmyfinger on Apr 4, 2016 21:33:07 GMT -6
Di Pietro would come out of retirement for that kind of line up. Might as well hand him the Jennings now. There is absolute proof that DiPietro would have been the next Brodeur if he played with OEL. 800 wins if he had OEL and Gardiner in front of him with Kadri centering the top line. |
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