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Post by EtownDre on Sept 4, 2015 11:39:58 GMT -6
Meh he's a free agent and you typically have to overpay those guys unless you're a OEL team. The Oil are clearly not there yet. I bet some ppl think Sekera isn't worth 5.5, but he is to us   True enough. Detroit had a crap ton of trouble getting free agents last season. But why overpay when you're in the super transition year and have 7-8 defensemen already that it won't matter if they have another Schultz in Franson joining and taking an extra 6 mil outta owners pockets? The only real use he'd be is as a trading chip. And that's one expensive trading chip. I want the Oil to shoot for the playoffs, and i want it to be obvious. I think Franson could be a big upgrade on those vets that should be third pairing guys. I want those D to understand they ain't getting it done and they'll go rot in the AHL if they can't play regardless of their contract. New GM has no ties to those bad contracts. If it improves the shot at the playoffs, I say do it. |
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Post by iggysbff on Sept 4, 2015 11:53:12 GMT -6
True enough. Detroit had a crap ton of trouble getting free agents last season. But why overpay when you're in the super transition year and have 7-8 defensemen already that it won't matter if they have another Schultz in Franson joining and taking an extra 6 mil outta owners pockets? The only real use he'd be is as a trading chip. And that's one expensive trading chip. I want the Oil to shoot for the playoffs, and i want it to be obvious. I think Franson could be a big upgrade on those vets that should be third pairing guys. I want those D to understand they ain't getting it done and they'll go rot in the AHL if they can't play regardless of their contract. New GM has no ties to those bad contracts. If it improves the shot at the playoffs, I say do it. I am puzzled at your and others stance on this. On one hand you slag Ference and NN yet you praised those moves when we made them. We signed the best UFAs we could get to come here and had to overpay. Now you suggest we should do the same for Franson? He stinks. And you'll pay him what???! It's ridiculous. I'll stick with Jultz under 4 mill rather than Franson over 5. And you would give him term no less. And I can guarantee you you and others will be bitching about Sekera before his contract is up. Is he worth 5.5 right now? Maybe. But 6 years with an NTC? There will be many bitching about it. You bitch about things we did in the past yet you want them repeated. |
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Post by Dangles13 on Sept 4, 2015 11:59:02 GMT -6
I want the Oil to shoot for the playoffs, and i want it to be obvious. I think Franson could be a big upgrade on those vets that should be third pairing guys. I want those D to understand they ain't getting it done and they'll go rot in the AHL if they can't play regardless of their contract. New GM has no ties to those bad contracts. If it improves the shot at the playoffs, I say do it. I am puzzled at your and others stance on this. On one hand you slag Ference and NN yet you praised those moves when we made them. We signed the best UFAs we could get to come here and had to overpay. Now you suggest we should do the same for Franson? He stinks. And you'll pay him what???! It's ridiculous. I'll stick with Jultz under 4 mill rather than Franson over 5. And you would give him term no less. And I can guarantee you you and others will be bitching about Sekera before his contract is up. Is he worth 5.5 right now? Maybe. But 6 years with an NTC? There will be many bitching about it. You bitch about things we did in the past yet you want them repeated. I'd welcome Franson with open arms if Nikitin and Ference were gone but as of now there is no money or ice time for him. It's the way of people though, even the Marincin trade is still somehow all MacT's fault even though Chiarelli was the GM that pulled the trigger. |
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Post by RamR on Sept 4, 2015 12:00:57 GMT -6
True enough. Detroit had a crap ton of trouble getting free agents last season. But why overpay when you're in the super transition year and have 7-8 defensemen already that it won't matter if they have another Schultz in Franson joining and taking an extra 6 mil outta owners pockets? The only real use he'd be is as a trading chip. And that's one expensive trading chip. I want the Oil to shoot for the playoffs, and i want it to be obvious. I think Franson could be a big upgrade on those vets that should be third pairing guys. I want those D to understand they ain't getting it done and they'll go rot in the AHL if they can't play regardless of their contract. New GM has no ties to those bad contracts. If it improves the shot at the playoffs, I say do it. All the oilers need is a defensive coach who can teach their players Positioning and I think their, defensive woes wouldn't be as bad. |
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Post by FatMarsh on Sept 4, 2015 12:01:34 GMT -6
I want the Oil to shoot for the playoffs, and i want it to be obvious. I think Franson could be a big upgrade on those vets that should be third pairing guys. I want those D to understand they ain't getting it done and they'll go rot in the AHL if they can't play regardless of their contract. New GM has no ties to those bad contracts. If it improves the shot at the playoffs, I say do it. I am puzzled at your and others stance on this. On one hand you slag Ference and NN yet you praised those moves when we made them. We signed the best UFAs we could get to come here and had to overpay. Now you suggest we should do the same for Franson? He stinks. And you'll pay him what???! It's ridiculous. I'll stick with Jultz under 4 mill rather than Franson over 5. And you would give him term no less. And I can guarantee you you and others will be bitching about Sekera before his contract is up. Is he worth 5.5 right now? Maybe. But 6 years with an NTC? There will be many bitching about it. You bitch about things we did in the past yet you want them repeated. For me, Franson is a fringe Top 4 Dman, and if used right, could be a PP specialist with that shot of his. 3 years is the max I would want to go with him since hes such a mystery of how he will adapt in a new role. Hes not good enough to handle top pairing minutes and he doesnt seem to be effective with limit ice time on the 3rd pairing (like he was in nashville) 3years at 4-4.5m is the most I would be comfortable investing in him. I think at least with that contract its movable if he doesn't work out in years 1 or 2. Paying him 5m+ then it woudl be tough to move and you would have a boat anchor of a cap hit if he doesnt pan out |
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Post by Dangles13 on Sept 4, 2015 12:08:54 GMT -6
I want the Oil to shoot for the playoffs, and i want it to be obvious. I think Franson could be a big upgrade on those vets that should be third pairing guys. I want those D to understand they ain't getting it done and they'll go rot in the AHL if they can't play regardless of their contract. New GM has no ties to those bad contracts. If it improves the shot at the playoffs, I say do it. All the oilers need is a defensive coach who can teach their players Positioning and I think their, defensive woes wouldn't be as bad. Their positioning isn't what kills them, it's not knowing what to do ever. I think Eakins actually got them to be in the right spots but half the time the players just watch the play develop instead of being proactive. Schultz is often back defending two on ones but he has no idea how to break them up, he gets caught watching guys in front of the net instead of tying them up. They need a coach who can show them the nuances of playing defence imo. Granted they get caught with missed assignments often enough but I think that stems from not trusting each other to cover their own assignments. |
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Post by Yzerman Is The Man on Sept 4, 2015 12:40:11 GMT -6
I want the Oil to shoot for the playoffs, and i want it to be obvious. I think Franson could be a big upgrade on those vets that should be third pairing guys. I want those D to understand they ain't getting it done and they'll go rot in the AHL if they can't play regardless of their contract. New GM has no ties to those bad contracts. If it improves the shot at the playoffs, I say do it. All the oilers need is a defensive coach who can teach their players Positioning and I think their, defensive woes wouldn't be as bad. Babcock to the Oilers, Y5 |
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Post by EtownDre on Sept 4, 2015 14:29:28 GMT -6
I want the Oil to shoot for the playoffs, and i want it to be obvious. I think Franson could be a big upgrade on those vets that should be third pairing guys. I want those D to understand they ain't getting it done and they'll go rot in the AHL if they can't play regardless of their contract. New GM has no ties to those bad contracts. If it improves the shot at the playoffs, I say do it. I am puzzled at your and others stance on this. On one hand you slag Ference and NN yet you praised those moves when we made them. We signed the best UFAs we could get to come here and had to overpay. Now you suggest we should do the same for Franson? He stinks. And you'll pay him what???! It's ridiculous. I'll stick with Jultz under 4 mill rather than Franson over 5. And you would give him term no less. And I can guarantee you you and others will be bitching about Sekera before his contract is up. Is he worth 5.5 right now? Maybe. But 6 years with an NTC? There will be many bitching about it. You bitch about things we did in the past yet you want them repeated. Da fuq are you smokin? I didn't praise when we got them other than to say that they should be legit NHL players (which the Oil didn't have any of at the time). Nikitin sure didn't show it, and I didn't mind Ference when we got him but too much was expected of him. I don't want to give Franson term, I want to get him here for one year to give time to Nurse and Griff, and yeah, I'd give him 5 mil to come for one year. If he wants longer, $ goes down. Pretty sure you have me confused with someone else. |
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Post by EtownDre on Sept 4, 2015 14:30:38 GMT -6
All the oilers need is a defensive coach who can teach their players Positioning and I think their, defensive woes wouldn't be as bad. I think Eakins actually got them to be in the right spots but half the time the players just watch the play develop instead of being proactive. Schultz is often back defending two on ones but he has no idea how to break them up, he gets caught watching guys in front of the net instead of tying them up. They need a coach who can show them the nuances of playing defence imo. Granted they get caught with missed assignments often enough but I think that stems from not trusting each other to cover their own assignments. This. |
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Post by Yzerman Is The Man on Sept 4, 2015 14:36:32 GMT -6
I am puzzled at your and others stance on this. On one hand you slag Ference and NN yet you praised those moves when we made them. We signed the best UFAs we could get to come here and had to overpay. Now you suggest we should do the same for Franson? He stinks. And you'll pay him what???! It's ridiculous. I'll stick with Jultz under 4 mill rather than Franson over 5. And you would give him term no less. And I can guarantee you you and others will be bitching about Sekera before his contract is up. Is he worth 5.5 right now? Maybe. But 6 years with an NTC? There will be many bitching about it. You bitch about things we did in the past yet you want them repeated. For me, Franson is a fringe Top 4 Dman, and if used right, could be a PP specialist with that shot of his. 3 years is the max I would want to go with him since hes such a mystery of how he will adapt in a new role. Hes not good enough to handle top pairing minutes and he doesnt seem to be effective with limit ice time on the 3rd pairing (like he was in nashville) 3years at 4-4.5m is the most I would be comfortable investing in him. I think at least with that contract its movable if he doesn't work out in years 1 or 2. Paying him 5m+ then it woudl be tough to move and you would have a boat anchor of a cap hit if he doesnt pan out So much this!  |
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Post by EtownDre on Sept 4, 2015 14:48:07 GMT -6
I want the Oil to shoot for the playoffs, and i want it to be obvious. I think Franson could be a big upgrade on those vets that should be third pairing guys. I want those D to understand they ain't getting it done and they'll go rot in the AHL if they can't play regardless of their contract. New GM has no ties to those bad contracts. If it improves the shot at the playoffs, I say do it. All the oilers need is a defensive coach who can teach their players Positioning and I think their, defensive woes wouldn't be as bad. I hear what you're saying but I don't wanna watch the Oil play defense-oriented hockey with the talent on the roster we have |
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Post by Yzerman Is The Man on Sept 4, 2015 14:50:34 GMT -6
All the oilers need is a defensive coach who can teach their players Positioning and I think their, defensive woes wouldn't be as bad. I hear what you're saying but I don't wanna watch the Oil play defense-oriented hockey with the talent on the roster we have Agreed. MCL should be a OEL coach for mixing up the two (offense/defense). |
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Post by Chet on Sept 4, 2015 17:49:20 GMT -6
I hear what you're saying but I don't wanna watch the Oil play defense-oriented hockey with the talent on the roster we have Agreed. MCL should be a OEL coach for mixing up the two (offense/defense). I like this |
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Post by iggysbff on Sept 5, 2015 10:37:10 GMT -6
I am puzzled at your and others stance on this. On one hand you slag Ference and NN yet you praised those moves when we made them. We signed the best UFAs we could get to come here and had to overpay. Now you suggest we should do the same for Franson? He stinks. And you'll pay him what???! It's ridiculous. I'll stick with Jultz under 4 mill rather than Franson over 5. And you would give him term no less. And I can guarantee you you and others will be bitching about Sekera before his contract is up. Is he worth 5.5 right now? Maybe. But 6 years with an NTC? There will be many bitching about it. You bitch about things we did in the past yet you want them repeated. Da fuq are you smokin? I didn't praise when we got them other than to say that they should be legit NHL players (which the Oil didn't have any of at the time). Nikitin sure didn't show it, and I didn't mind Ference when we got him but too much was expected of him. I don't want to give Franson term, I want to get him here for one year to give time to Nurse and Griff, and yeah, I'd give him 5 mil to come for one year. If he wants longer, $ goes down. Pretty sure you have me confused with someone else. Could have sworn you were one of the NN and Ference pumpers. If you weren't then fuck you anyways  I know there were many like Morris that wanted both of those guys before we even signed them and I said no fucking way. I guess it could have been your buddy that gauranteed that Omark would be a far better player than Eberle.  |
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Post by SJSharks39 on Sept 5, 2015 14:31:11 GMT -6
I hear what you're saying but I don't wanna watch the Oil play defense-oriented hockey with the talent on the roster we have Agreed. MCL should be a OEL coach for mixing up the two (offense/defense). Mcjuggles doesn't do defense.
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True enough. 
